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                        | In 2001, Chris
                        Bentley and David Sisson spoke to E.C.
                        Tubb at his home in London. ..
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                        |  | How
                        did you become a science-fiction author? Well, thats a long
                        story. During the pre-war years I was a
                        great reader. I read everything I could
                        that was to do with outer space, lots of
                        the old pulp magazines, Edgar Rice
                        Burroughs and all of that, and I really
                        just enjoyed it all very much. Then, of course, the war
                        came along and lots of families broke up
                        for one reason or another. You were taken
                        away, put with people who you didnt
                        know, taken to a place youd never
                        seen before and told to fight. It was a
                        bit of a shake-up for you. Then, if you
                        were lucky, you came home and were told
                        to carry on where you left off. I came
                        back and didnt know what to do with
                        my life. I thought to myself that a new
                        life in Australia might be an idea
                        because a lot of people were emigrating
                        there at that time.  I needed to have a trade to
                        get out there and because I had done a
                        bit of bomb damage repair work, I put
                        myself down as a carpenter. I wasnt
                        really a carpenter but I knew enough to
                        get myself through an interview. The idea
                        was that I would go to Australia, get
                        settled, and then my wife would come out
                        a few months later. At the very same time
                        as this, I had a short story published
                        for which I was paid, and so I decided to
                        stay here and give it a go as a writer.
                        The chances are that if I had gone to
                        Australia, the wife wouldnt have
                        followed me over and I would have ended
                        up getting killed by a sheep on a sheep
                        farm or something! |  |  
                | This
                first story was No Short Cuts in 'New
                Worlds' magazine? Yes. Thats right. It was my
                beginning. I did other jobs to support my family,
                but gradually I earned more money from these
                stories. I had some ups and downs along the way,
                but I managed to remain as a writer for the most
                part. I learnt that, more than anything
                else, speed was everything. You had to write fast
                - dont edit, just let it flow. Sometimes
                what you wrote was awful, but mostly it was
                alright and you got away with it. If you were
                paid by the word, you would use all sorts of
                little tricks to fill the page. I had characters
                spending a whole paragraph just stubbing out a
                cigarette and going through a door. It was like
                that in those days. Nowadays, if I was writing
                like that, I would spend ages describing a
                character using a mobile-phone or something like
                that.  I learned a lot of things in those
                early days. I was naive and I was ripped off once
                by a bloke who claimed that he was better known
                than I was and would be more likely to have a
                story published than me. He told me that once my
                story was published, he would give me the fee for
                it and I would have my foot in the door, as it
                were, with the editor of this particular
                magazine. Of course, the bloke didnt give
                me any money at all and claimed that it was his
                story. I learned from that.  Another thing I learned was from an
                old mate, a writer called Bill Temple. He taught
                me that characters should just talk.
                They dont hiss or
                bark or snarl like in the
                old silent melodramas - you know the kind of
                thing: Get over here, the villain
                snarled. I stopped using all of those ridiculous
                adjectives and found that it sounded better. |  
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                        |  | Were
                        you just writing science-fiction? Oh, no. I wrote whatever I
                        could to keep the money coming in. I did
                        westerns, a few thrillers and some
                        gangster things, but it was the
                        science-fiction that I personally enjoyed
                        obviously. I began to write under
                        different names, some of which were given
                        to me by publishers as they were
                        house names - such as King
                        Lang, Gill Hunt and Volsted Gridban.
                        Once, when I was doing a magazine called 'Authentic
                        Science-Fiction', I actually wrote
                        everything in one particular issue,
                        including the readers column. I had
                        deadlines to meet and I just had to do
                        it.  They were great days because
                        I met some good mates who had similar
                        interests but I also upset a few people
                        too. There was one fellow who was
                        desperate to get in print. I was an
                        editor by this time and I published one
                        of his stories and it wasnt bad,
                        but I had to cut down on some of the
                        weaker parts of the story. It still read
                        well but this bloke was furious that I
                        had done it and never spoke to me again.  |  |  
                | People have this idea that
                writing is a kind of romantic life but it
                isnt. If youre already well off and
                write to express yourself I suppose it is
                romantic, but for me it was hard work. I had a
                family to support and really just sitting in
                front of a typewriter makes it a bloody lonely
                life, not a romantic one. You dont meet
                anybody and you lose touch with the real world
                because you spend all of your time in one that
                you have invented - such as the one for the
                Dumarest stories. Sometimes it was nice to do
                something different, to have a break from what
                you were always doing. I spent some time selling
                knives and demonstrating things in markets and
                that type of thing. I actually really enjoyed
                that and I felt a bit like a priest, telling
                people the truth and they would
                believe me. It was the same with the writing. To
                make a break from the norm was quite refreshing
                sometimes. Were the 'Joe
                90' Action Transfer books a
                refreshing break from the norm? Thats right, I did those,
                didnt I? I cant remember exactly how
                many I did, maybe two or three, but it paid
                pretty well and I was pleased to be doing
                something a little unusual. Because the stories
                were based on a childrens television
                programme, I was working under certain
                instructions from the publishers. I couldnt
                have 'Joe 90' or any of the other
                characters using excessive violence. I mean,
                these were supposed to be adventure/spy stories
                about a lad who had a gun and all of that, but
                you couldnt have him shooting anybody or at
                least only do very little shooting. You had to
                keep the stories simple. The characters all had
                to be different so children could recognise them
                as goodies or baddies. You also had to have
                things that they knew from the programme itself.
                I suppose it was quite a relief for me as a
                writer because it saved me having to invent all
                of these things. |  
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                        |  | How
                        were you briefed about the show? I think I was sent some
                        photographs and some outlines about the
                        characters - what they looked like, who
                        they answered to, what the car could do
                        and all of that - and then I just created
                        a simple adventure story around it all.
                        The 'Joe 90' books were sort of
                        comic strips so I had to write stories
                        which would translate into good pictures.
                         I did quite a bit of
                        freelance writing for comic strips too
                        but it was always the real
                        writing that I enjoyed the most. When you
                        were writing for a book or a comic that
                        had characters who had been created by
                        other people, you had to write with that
                        in mind. By this I mean that, for
                        example, Commander Koenig in 'Space:
                        1999' was someone elses
                        character. I didnt know him like I
                        do Earl Dumarest, who is my own
                        character, so I had to think about how he
                        acted in the actual programme but with a
                        little bit extra that I enjoyed putting
                        in there myself. |  |  
                | Did
                you find it creatively constricting to write like
                this? To a
                point, but I was used to writing like that. Back
                in my early days, I was often given stories which
                were part finished or only early drafts by other
                writers. I had to fill the story out but still
                retain the essence of what was already there.
                Other writers did the same to some of my stories
                so it was something that many of us did. You had
                to put in your own ideas while still being true
                to what the other writer had originally come up
                with, so when I did the 'Joe 90' books
                and the 'Space: 1999' ones I did it like
                that. Of course, with the television books you
                also had to write something which the reader, who
                was also likely to be a viewer of the particular
                programme, would recognise too. You couldnt
                just please yourself if you were writing for
                books based on a film or a television programme.
                People expected certain things from certain
                characters. Within the
                realms of a science-fiction story, you still tend
                to use factual scientific themes and concepts as
                a basis to what you write. Yes, thats true. When I was
                first writing, I used all of the things that I
                had soaked up about the real universe and
                astronomy and so on. I had read other
                peoples stories with characters going to
                different planets without spacesuits or breathing
                equipment and I just thought it was all a bit
                daft. I always wanted to make the stories
                exciting and interesting but I didnt want
                them to be totally silly and outrageous. I knew
                about rockets and the pressures that space flight
                can put upon the human body so I tried to put all
                of that into my stories. I always felt that it
                was a little unfair actually. I dont claim
                to be a scientist myself, but I am a writer with
                an understanding of science. Yet there I was,
                earning the same as people who were just making
                up everything with no regard to realism at all.
                But that was how it was. |  
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                        |  | How
                        did you come to write the 'Space:1999'
                        novels? Well, I had the scripts
                        offered to me by a publisher who wondered
                        if I was interested in having a go at a
                        novel based on the programme. I was
                        pleased because I thought to myself,
                        Great - someone else has done all
                        the hard work. I sat down to read
                        these scripts and they were quite
                        entertaining but after a while, I
                        honestly thought that some of it was just
                        rubbish. What
                        do you mean? There was one part when
                        Bergman said something like, My
                        God! His brain has swollen to three times
                        its normal size. Well, I thought,
                        where did it go to? It just didnt
                        make sense! To say that the brain had
                        swollen considerably would have been
                        alright, but three times is just stupid.
                        Another line was something like,
                        His bloods frozen
                        solid. Now I know you need drama
                        and excitement and all the rest but it
                        should, to my way of thinking, be
                        plausible and some of these stories
                        werent. |  |  
                | Did
                you watch 'Space:1999'
                on the television? Yes I did, although I have to say
                that it got pretty ghastly towards the end of the
                series. That is always the problem with a
                continuing series of television programmes or
                films, or even books for that matter. You tend to
                re-use old ideas or borrow ideas from other
                sources and it all looks a little tired.
                'Star Trek' was the same and I love that
                myself, but it happens there too.  The problem with 'Star Trek'
                (in all of its incarnations) and 'Space:
                1999' was the kind of village mentality:
                everybody knows each other and looks out for
                their neighbour and its an idealistic way
                of life. With 'Space: 1999' in
                particular, I felt that once they were off on
                their journey there would have been more unrest
                amongst the Alphans and I tried to put that into
                my books. I mean, after a while, I would have
                said to Koenig, Who are you to still be in
                charge of it all? Let someone else have a go or
                we can run things by committee or
                something. Dramatically, I think that would
                have worked very well because there would be
                conflict and conflict brings drama.  The later episodes were
                disappointing. I know that when they came on, I
                was surprised that there were new characters who
                I had never seen before and characters like
                Bergman were gone without any explanation. It was
                a shame because I thought Barry Morse was very
                good. Were you
                ever invited to the studios or taken to any
                special screenings of the programme? |  
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                        |  | When I was given
                        the job of writing the books, I was taken
                        to a screening in London with the other
                        writers who were doing the books. I think
                        it was a cinema in Marble Arch and I saw
                        four or five episodes of the programme. I
                        was really impressed and thought that the
                        idea of doing them as books would be
                        quite exciting. The problems really came
                        along when you saw it in print. The
                        actual scripted words were sometimes
                        terrible. All criticism aside, I
                        thought the programme itself was
                        excellent and very entertaining, which is
                        what it is all about I suppose. For me as
                        a writer, I felt that for the novels the
                        original scripts would need some
                        alteration as well as something extra of
                        my own. For example, there was a sequence
                        in one of the episodes when Koenig walks
                        down one of the corridors and into Main
                        Mission. There was no dialogue but
                        because that Main Mission set was so
                        impressive it held your attention. On the
                        written page of the script that I had to
                        work from it just said, Koenig
                        enters Main Mission from an adjoining
                        corridor. That was it. I had to
                        fill that scene out to make it
                        interesting for the reader. Between that
                        and the various scientific
                        inconsistencies, I decided that for my
                        adaptations I would use the scripts only
                        as a basis for what became almost
                        original stories and I think that it
                        worked better that way. It sounds a bit
                        big-headed, but I thought,
                        Ill do it my way. |  |  
                | When I had done the books
                based on the scripts for the series, the man who
                was doing the editing for the company publishing
                the books said to me that they had lost the
                contract to do further books based on episodes
                but that they still had the rights to do a couple
                more using characters and ideas from the series.
                He asked if I wanted to have a go so I said,
                Yes. I was hoping that they would be
                so well received that they might be used as
                actual episodes of the programme itself. So I did
                a couple of 'Space: 1999' novels which
                were entirely my own stories, and then the
                publishers asked me to do a final book, 'Earthfall',
                as they were still contracted to publish one
                more. On this one, I was allowed to end the
                series in written form as I thought it should be
                done. As a writer, it was quite a challenge for
                me and very enjoyable because the idea of the
                series itself was a good one. The concept for the programme was
                interesting, but quite constricting for a writer
                like myself who tried to be as scientifically
                accurate as possible. The Alphans were supposed
                to be travelling at the speed of light or
                something and then every species they meet talks
                English - it could have been a crab sitting on a
                rock or something and it turns around and says,
                Hello, Commander Koenig. Weve been
                expecting you. I know the characters have
                to communicate but they created an idea which
                gave them many problems in terms of realism and
                scientific accuracy. I was far happier with the original
                stories I wrote for 'Space: 1999' and I
                was especially pleased with that last one,
                because I had the chance to really do something
                interesting with the Alphans, projecting into the
                future where they have had children, returning
                them to Earth and all of that. I tried to
                re-address the scientific failings of the series
                and add a bit of human interest as well. |  
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                        |  | Did
                        you ever have the chance to discuss your
                        thoughts with any of the actual writers
                        for the programme? No, never. I was sent
                        scripts to work from and that was that. I
                        never met anybody involved with the
                        writing of the actual programme at all
                        but I think I would have liked to. I
                        think that I must have done alright
                        because the books sold well and were
                        quite popular. Are
                        you aware that your 'Space:
                        1999' novels are
                        more highly regarded than the others
                        amongst fans of the series? No, I wasnt, but I am
                        very pleased to hear it. I dont
                        know why because all the authors were
                        from similar backgrounds and I actually
                        knew a couple of them pretty well. One of
                        the writers flaked out. I think I
                        remember that he had the same sort of
                        problems with the original scripts as me
                        but couldnt (or didnt want
                        to) overcome the problems like I did. I
                        think it was Brian Ball. We all met at
                        the screening and we went for a meal
                        which was all very nice, but then we just
                        went off and did our own thing. |  |  
                | Were
                you sent any photographic reference to work from? No, I dont think so. I was
                very impressed by the design of the Moonbase
                itself and the costumes and, of course, the
                Eagles which I thought were very good. I
                didnt have to describe any of those things
                too greatly in the books because it was obvious
                that the reader would be more than familiar with
                what they looked like from the series itself. I
                was sent a brochure or something which gave me an
                outline of how Moonbase Alpha itself was set out
                and also which uniform colours denoted which
                role: white was medical, red was Main Mission
                crew, and so on. Do you feel
                that your own novels and stories would translate
                well into television? The 'Dumarest
                Saga' in particular has all
                the elements for an exciting long-running series. Im not sure. I think one
                obvious failing in all television and film
                science-fiction is that you have writers who have
                little knowledge of science. But on the other
                hand, you cant have scientists or
                astronomers attempting to write television
                programmes because they dont know anything
                about the business of making dramatic
                entertainment. I will admit that it is hard
                because, obviously, television programmes are
                always meant to entertain (and 'Space: 1999',
                'Star Trek', 'Battlestar Galactica'
                and all the rest certainly do entertain because I
                watch them all myself), but things do stand out
                sometimes as being written by someone without
                even the basic understanding of, say, light speed
                or time travel as a concept.  You also have the problem of other
                people then using your ideas in a way in which
                you never really wanted them to be used. I used
                to laugh at the different covers that would
                appear on my Dumarest books, so I cant
                begin to imagine how I would feel if somebody was
                making a film or television series of one of my
                stories. I think it must be difficult for people
                like Stephen King who create these characters and
                then a film-maker changes this, that and the
                other. I suppose the financial rewards ease
                things a little. Also I have never actually liked the
                term 'The Dumarest Saga', that was
                invented by the publisher and it just stuck, it
                wasn't something that I would have chosen. |  
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                        |  | Do
                        you deliberately use certain words as a
                        kind of trademark, I always noticed that
                        'Tintinubulation' seems to appear
                        somewhere in every Dumarest novel. Really (laughs). No thats
                        not something that I do - or was aware
                        that I did. I'll have to look out for
                        that now. If
                        Dumarest were to be made into a film or
                        television series which actor would you
                        see in the role? I'm not
                        sure, but theres an actor in 'The
                        Bill' who plays a character called
                        Frank Burnside (Christopher Ellison), who
                        facially looks like the character to me -
                        he has that intensity. |  |  
                | Speaking
                of other television series, are you aware of the
                striking similarities between 'Battlestar
                Galactica' and your
                Dumarest novels? I know what you mean, with the
                Cylons in 'Battlestar Galactica' and my
                characters the Cyclan in the Dumarest books: in
                both cases, they are the villains and are sort of
                robot-like. The heroes in 'Galactica'
                are searching for Earth and so is Earl Dumarest,
                my hero. However, I wouldnt say that I was
                ripped off or anything because we all use
                different ideas and influences that we pick up on
                our way. I remember an old saying we used to have
                which was, Science-fiction is a pool in
                which you dip. A great many fantasy stories
                are about a search or a quest to find something
                or someone, or in this case, somewhere, so I
                cant claim to have created that idea. The
                Cylons were actually robots but my characters,
                the Cyclan, are only robot-like because they are
                based on the law of pure reasoning, like Vulcans
                in 'Star Trek' really.  I actually quite enjoyed
                'Battlestar Galactica' but there was all
                sorts of ridiculous stuff in there too. Look at
                those pilots in helmets with a ring of lights
                around the face piece. Why, in total darkness,
                would you want little lights just in front of
                your nose? Even though
                you are a serious science-fiction writer, you
                still talk as if you are a fan of all this type
                of thing. |  
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                        |  | Well, thats
                        because I am a fan. I can pick holes in
                        it all and that is half of the enjoyment
                        of it. I tape 'Star Trek' if
                        Im going out and I always look at
                        the films when they are on the
                        television. Science-fiction has always
                        meant a great deal to me. Like
                        yourselves, I used to organise
                        conventions although in my day it was a
                        different sort of fandom to what there is
                        now. My original taste of
                        science-fiction came in the 1930s. It was
                        a time of depression and those stories
                        gave me hope and a view of the future
                        which wasnt as bleak as the one
                        other people might have had. Then the war
                        came along and it shook everything up. Of
                        course, there was a great deal of death
                        and unhappiness caused by it, but in many
                        respects it was a good thing, because it
                        pushed people into space through the
                        development of rockets and missiles, and
                        medical science moved forward in leaps
                        and bounds.  |  |  
                | When I first met up with
                others who had the same kind of interests, I was
                so pleased because I could talk about rockets and
                satellites and all of that without being branded
                a nut-case. As a
                science-fiction fan, I write stories that I want
                to read myself and, in fact, I do go back and
                read all my old books because I find them very
                entertaining. I suppose I imagine that other
                people who share my enthusiasm for
                science-fiction will also be entertained by the
                stories that I write, and if that is the case,
                then I am delighted. * *
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